Housing Search: The Word ‘Plumbing’ Derives from the Latin Word for ‘Lead’ Edition

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We started looking for a house about a month ago.  It’s a tight market in our area, so we’ve seen about five or six houses in person along with closely watching the online listings and poring over the photos.  And of course, there’s this one house…

I’m sure anyone who has bought real estate is going “okay, where’s the ‘but’ on this statement?”

So, here it is: but it’s a 1926 house that’s priced a little over our current range and needs an entire new HVAC system among other things.

I love old houses.  Love the crown molding, love antiques, love the feel, love hardwood, love how unique old homes look, love bay windows, love the fact that an old house good enough to buy today is built well.  When we started looking, I immediately started checking listings in the historic neighborhood.  We saw the 1926 house and fell hard for it.  It’s gorgeous with big, airy bedrooms, the pretty trim, and as soon as I set foot in it, I was moving in furniture in my head.

Like I said, it’s priced a little above what we want to pay.  However, it’s been on the market for several months, and the sellers are ready to negotiate.  So that hurdle was largely overcome.  Arthur and I started talking about offering.

Then I did some research as we knew the HVAC system needed replaced and during that, discovered a few things about buying an old house.  We knew there would be repairs and remodeling work, which we were willing to do.  We knew we needed a cash reserve for the inevitable things that go wrong, which we could handle.  There’s often asbestos floor tile somewhere (not an issue as long as intact and not disturbed) which we figured we could manage or replace eventually.  We knew we needed to check the electric system (old houses weren’t built to handle modern electronic life), but figured we could manage that as well.

Then I was reading and discovered something we aren’t entirely sure we can handle: lead.

Any house built before 1978 in the USA generally has lead paint somewhere in it – the older the house, the more certain there’s lead paint in it.  Lead paint, I discovered, was used more on ‘nicer’ homes of the era because it has such brilliant colors and durability.  Meaning this gorgeous 1926 house almost assuredly has lead paint.  Apparently, lead paint can be covered and well maintained with few issues.  The problem comes if it’s on friction surfaces like windows and door frames (which can create lead dust when the window is opened or the door is open/closed), if it’s in the soil outside the house from outdoor paint (and tracked in), and/or if you have kids under the age of 6 (who tend to be more susceptible and who put everything in their mouths).

I also learned that the Latin word for “lead” is “plumbum” (hence the chemical symbol for lead) and so lead pipes and plumbing are a concern.  Lead pipes were used in houses, but even more recent copper plumbing can have lead solders.  The high lead solders were banned in 1986 and the amount of allowed lead reduced again in 2014 in the USA.

I dove down the rabbit hole with a vengeance.  Did some digging locally and discovered there’s a good chance the service line (the pipe that connects the house to the water main) could be lead.  Possible there’s still some lead piping in the house, though hard to say without an offer and a thorough inspection.  The windows appear to be original, so there’s a good chance those have lead paint.

We’re debating if we want to deal with this – if we would make an offer and get a lead inspection done and plan on abatement or replacement – or if we should just walk the heck away.  At the moment, I’m making calls to the city to find out if the service line was ever replaced (should be a matter of public record), talking to local lead inspectors, and putting in a call to the pediatrician’s office to get their take on things.

I’m starting to understand why all those home buyers and home owners on the HGTV and home improvement shows all seem to have constantly worried to panicked looks on their faces.  I’m discovering that all houses have issues.  The trick is being aware and picking the issues we feel we can live alongside or change.

If anyone has advice or lives/has lived in an old house, I’m all ears.

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8 thoughts on “Housing Search: The Word ‘Plumbing’ Derives from the Latin Word for ‘Lead’ Edition

  1. Cristy

    You asked, so here it is.
    1) do lead testing. Both for the water and for the paint. Lead paint can be encased, but you need to be aware.
    2) on that note, insist on a full inspection. Too many people waive them and then get stuck. An inspection is an insurance policy for both you and the seller (I learned you can sue the previous homeowner even if you waived an inspection if their you have probable cause for a known condition they didn’t disclose).
    3) there are grants for HVAC conversions to more energy efficient solutions. Look into this (our landlord to going through this with an oil to gas heat conversion).
    4) finally, talk with a lawyer about this property. I’ve found realtors to be so limited on buyers rights (they are most interested in the sale). Especially with a house, you want to know if there are any surprises.

    Good luck!

  2. Definitely get an inspection and lead testing. Depending on yoi loan, you can get all the $$ you put out for inspections back at closing anyway.

    Both pediatricians I have used for my kids do lead testing. My old one just asked what year your house was built and did blood work to check lead levels a couple times (like at a year and then a recent one around 5 for the school-required physical), and my current pediatrician does a finger-prick CBC and lead test at every well visit.

    There are also places you can tank paint-chip samples to that will run a lead test. As far a lead in water, my County does a yearly water check and publishes the results.

  3. I think it’s definitely worth going down this particular rabbit-hole. It sounds like you are being very thorough and well-informed. Great advice above… I live in a 1934 house, but I wasn’t the one to buy it, so I’m not sure what was done to check for lead. Good luck with the house search — I love older houses, but they do come with issues. My dream house is either a completely renovated older home or a new home built with re-sourced parts from older homes so it has that character but none of the issues. Dreams, dreams…

  4. lurker

    This year my family bought a 1908 farmhouse. The previous owners had replaced all the plumbing, so that is not a particular lead concern (I guess the soldering can still be lead containing). That would not have been a dealbreaker for me; we would have happily used a water filtration system for drinking/cooking water, and having lived in old apartments and houses before (though not our previous house) we have been in the habit of running water when it had been standing in the pipes for some time before using it for food applications. (My father as a kid used to fight with his sister over who got to drink the first water from the tap in the morning, because the lead made it taste so sweet.) (My father is a professor and very smart. He is, however, the younger sibling.)

    The paint – well, it’s not a non-issue, but we decided that it was a thing we could deal with. We discovered after moving in and trying to live with painted floors that had many many layers of paint on them, that the paint just flaked off constantly on feet… so we had the floors refinished, unfortunately after we moved in. This has the effect of giving us more contained lead-containing paint, but also created a crapton of dust in the meantime. We haven’t done any testing on the house; we just assume that the answer is lead in the paint. What we HAVE done is testing our kids; shortly after the floor refinishing the 4- and 6- year old had lead levels of 0 and 1, when the acceptable range is under 5. We’ll keep testing at pediatrician’s offices, but I think common sense practices about avoiding generating paint dust seem like the biggest thing. We have a mix of original and newer windows. It’s a thing to be aware of, but for me the pleasures of living in this house seem worth taking common sense prevention measures.

  5. I have never heard of that issue in India so can’t advice but I also see that you have got some good thoughts.
    I also love older houses and the vintage feel. Once you crack the deal and which one deal, do share pictures 🙂 Would love to see .

  6. Our house is from 1939 so I know all about having to renovate an older home! Definitely get the pipes tested as lead in the pipes can be the hidden danger that you don’t know about. We didn’t worry too much about lead paint because we painted over everything once we moved in. We also put in new windows after a few years too. As long as there isn’t major flaking it’s okay (NO sanding before you paint). We have asbestos tile in our basement and were told by lots of people that there is such a small amount of asbestos in the tile that pulling it up is not that big of a deal. You can also just tile right on top of it if you have to.

    Pro of an older house- everything is built better. Con- the expense of trying to get an older house up to code. We had cloth wiring when we moved into our current house and the water pressure was terrible. We had to re-do all of the electrical & plumbing throughout the house. We also put in a new HVAC machine, water heater, etc. Expensive.

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